Vergleich: Lap-a (Lapis albus) + Lap-c-b (Limestone) + Lap-gr-m (Granite murvey) + Lap-mar-c (Marble).



-          rage, anger/easily offended/irritability

-          order and structure

-          feeling of being abandoned, isolation

-          sorrow

-          haughtiness, feeling of grandeur, arrogance

-          indifference, apathy/sadness without a cause; cannot cry, even though one is sad

-          inner calm, meditation

-          religion

-          water


sensitivity, compliance versus heartlessness or harshness

version to company, withdrawal, misanthropy, taciturnity versus being social and open


In Vergleich mit diesen Angaben hat Lap-gr-m. diese Prüfungsergebnisse nicht.


[Angela Hair]

The Family of Calcium carbonicum - Limestone and Marble

I was born in Limestone country. This has implications. It is different to be born to clay or schist (= Glimmerschiefer) or basalt.

To be born in limestone country is to learn a deeper lesson. You live on top of a reef. For millions upon millions of years a milky sea has washed over the ground on which you stand.

Tiny creatures have lived here in numbers beyond counting. There is no word for their abundance. Fish and snails, marine worms, shrimps and pipis and mussles, outnumbering them all,

minute creatures called bryozoa.

They still exist at the margins between sea and land. Hundreds of species and each possessing brain, mouth, gut and bum. Each living out its life in a shelly (square/hexagonal/oval) box –

no more than a mm wide. Whatever makes the neatest fit with its neighbours. They form a colony. Clustered at the tidal margin/contained within their boxes/living an uncomplicated life.

And the most extraordinary thing about them, the thing I love most, is this - they have acquired the knack of resurrection. Within their tiny boxes they live for around 6 months but during

that time they die 3x, they putrify, brain and gut and mouth and bum melt down to brown slush. Seemingly dead they rot inside their box then amazingly after a few days they revive.

Brain and gut, mouth and bum take their previous forms. The lid flips open, the feeding tentacles reemerge. The creature is reborn. They live and rot, live and rot, until finally they die for good.

Brain and gut, mouth and bum melt. The little shell box crumbles. It dissolves. So in a perfect reversible reaction, dissolution and precipitation, in near exact equilibrium, by infinite tiny accretions,

the colony expands. Astounding!!"

[From Limestone by New Zealand author, Fiona Farrell]

Themes we can take from this passage?

- tiny individuals that are part of a complex colony

- a substance evoluting over millions of years under water

- life precipitating in a tiny shelly box and dissolving again

- birth, death and resurrection


Compare these to the proving symptoms of Limestone by Nuala Eising and 9 others in 1994

“Went walking and walking over fields and walls. Feeling of fear that I'd be absorbed into the landscape and never escape. I turned back. I felt part of the stones. They were almost invisible

because they were part of me - fluid, water, merging“.

“I am just lying still - my voice is still. It has the stillness and quietness of death. I feel I am lying in a glass coffin, no part of my body moving. It's like the stillness and quietness of death.

Only I'm not cold. It's not unpleasant or fearful. It's like being dormant for the winter“.

“Tired, body thin, arms and hands very large, watery feelings, all fluids moving, relaxed, air of benevolence, lovely“. 


When you look at the rubrics of Limestone (Lap-c-b) you see the same themes:

Absorption in nature

- Mind, ego, devoid of ego (1)

- Mind, Absorbed, buried in thought

- Mind, Cares, nature for, animals, plants (1)

- Mind, Monomania (for nature; for sea; for water)

- Mind, love, nature for (2)

- Mind, Anxiety sudden change (1)

- Confusion of mind, reality, can’t tell what is real and what is not (1)

- Mind, fancies, absorbed in table2

Diffusion/ dissolution

- Delusion - body, body parts, lighter than air

- Delusion - separated,  mind and body are

- Delusion - body, body parts, diminished (2)      

- Delusion - body, body parts, diffused has  (1)

- Delusion - body, body parts, enlarged

- Delusion - body, thin (2)

- Head, enlarged sensation

- Delusion - unreal, everything is

- Delusion - vanish, she will (1)

- Delusion- water, under water (1)

- Dream, as if in a


- Mind, home, desires to be

- Delusion, enslaved (1)

- Delusion, trapped (1)

- Mind, escape, attempts to

- Delusion, waiting, he, is

- Stomach, vomiting, morning, coughing on (1

- Throat, mucus, detach, difficult to table4


- Mind, forsaken

- Mind, estranged, from her family

- Mind, estranged, forgetful of relatives and friends

- Mind, estranged, from society

- Delusion, deserted

- Delusion,  appreciated, not

- Delusion, dirty, is

- Delusion, wretched, she is (when looking in the mirror)


- Mind, fear, observed, of her condition being

- Mind, fear, insanity, of losing his reason

- Mind, alone, of being

- Mind, fear, evil

- Mind, fear, happen, something will, terrible, horrible 


- Horrible things and sad stories, affect her profoundly

- Irritability, disturbance, from any (1)

- Irritability from trifles

- Mind, sensitive, noise to

- Mind, offended easily

- Mind, sensitive, external impressions, to all


- Dreams of America and Africa, and the slave trade

- Delusion injury, inflicit on, someone (1)

- Delusion, poisoning people, she is (2)

- Mind, shrieking, anger during 


What is the particular challenge for people who need Limestone?

It seems to experience the feeling of belonging. Limestone people have this sense of oneness that comes from being with nature, with animals. Without ego, simply being.

Yet, in the human world they struggle with feelings of isolation and disconnection, where they may perceive themselves to be estranged from society, trapped, and enslaved.

Our little calcium shells dissolving and precipitating, as we are trapped and released.                                             


The help of Limestone comes from finding connection after being disconnected; coming alive after being dead, asleep, or unconscious for a long time; waking up into our inner connectedness

with the human colony, realising we have never been separated; it is simply a delusion.

There are many other manifestations of being trapped and thus released:

Teeth are trapped and released; Teeth, pain, sore bruised, molars

Putrid discharges are trapped and released; Ear, discharges, thick; Ear, discharges, offensive; Nose, discharge, orange

Menstrual blood is trapped and released; Abdomen burning, hot rocks like; Female, menses painful, Dysmenorrhea.x Abdomen, pain, torn, loose,

“As if mucus is trapped and released”; Cough < night, waking from cough; Stomach vomiting, gen, morning; coughing on

I have used Limestone acutely with babies to assist with teeth that are slow to come through (Calc.).

For a young woman abandoned by her family and adopted by another family, Limestone was used for boils which rapidly healed after two doses.

We are all aware of the rubric “Egotism, self-esteem” in the repertory. 

There is Calc., and Lap-gr-m. and Lap-mar-c., to which we will come back later. Scholten identifies “ego” as a theme of the carbons, so its not surprising that these remedies are coming up in this rubric. In Limestone, however, the rubric is: “Devoid of Ego”.


So why is this rubric, devoid of ego, important?

If the rubric “Egotism” is about self esteem, does “Devoid of Ego” mean no self esteem? I do not think so. I think the correct interpretation is lack of attachment to ego.

We saw earlier a similarity with some drug remedies and Limestone.

One of the provers said :"Time is so slow - but that's alright. It's like experiencing every moment and living in each moment totally. Feels like I'm over sensitive to everything. 

Absorbing everything that is going on for everyone. I have no protection, no boundaries. For the past few weeks I've noticed that I get totally engrossed in what ever I'm doing.  Anything sudden happening completely freaks me out and I feel like screaming and screaming with terror. Like if I'm sitting in a room with people conversing - I'm totally there. If someone suddenly walks in - I want to scream and scream. I feel it inside but don't let it out... I feel I am going insane. I want to move very slowly and gently with nature and life. I don't want to disturb anything or be disturbed. I want everything to be gentle and easy and free“.


How do these Limestone themes come out in our patients?

A woman, H., recently returning to NZ after many years overseas, describes it like this.


“Coming back to NZ  I am leaving attachments behind, to return home, I choose to release a lot of my personal possessions, down-sizing, everything I get for me has an attachment for me,

when I choose to give them up, a part of me is given up“.


“I have made a decision that I will find my place. Coming home is like slipping into your slippers that you left at the back door; you put them on and you are home. Just fill up the space again“.

Fear of estrangement:

“As  a child I had a fear of being left behind, when people would go out and we stayed at home, I would scream and run after them, I didn’t want to be left behind“.

And the insecurity of loss of identity, one of our main ego-attachments:

 “I had a dream the other night that my purse was taken, all my credit cards and my identity. No identity, no evidence of who you are. The loss of identity is so traumatic, you immediately

become a person of suspicion. At Vancouver airport I left my purse at the counter but the lady of the shop had turned it in. I can see how you can become so easily separated from society and

a person of no identity. If I am at home I can call up the relatives, but in a foreign land you have nothing, no one other than your work mates“.

When we are strongly attached to our ego, there is greater internal threat as seen through these patient dreams:

“I have dreams of flying and being chased and having the ability to land. By sheer will I had to hold myself up to stay up there, I had to actually demand that I stay flying. There were people

trying to come after me or chase me. I had to will myself to be aloft. Other times it’s lovely to settle into that flying mode“.


M. tells how he had to do the opposite to stay aloft - to not think about it or use his will: "After Limestone, I did have a dream where I just flapped my wings and took off. Normally I have to flap hard and not try too hard or think about it or it stops working“.


When I first saw this patient, he described this dream to me: “I am a superhero, flying, got to run and jump and not try, if I try it turns to custard, some terminator character chasing me, I can't fly properly or trying to fly over trees and crash into them“.


The idea of using your will to escape danger, intrigued me. This has certainly been something I have experienced as a mountain climber in a storm, where you apply every ounce of concentration and effort to survive.

It was interesting to hear M. describe “anger and frustration at not being heard by several intractable people who couldn’t be flexible enough to hear what I was offering. Under all that was the hurt of not being heard/wanted/apreciated“.

H. describes how she would drink wine to go into an “unconscious state of not being present“. Yet, she loved the quiet, peace, trees, and river of home - the place where she could be very present.

And M. says: “the challenges I have before me are maturing into being "manly"(whatever that is), and also actually arriving, being present and having faith that there is a place in the world for me and perhaps we could stretch that to accepting that I have something of value to offer“.

When he feels disconnection, he describes it like this: “My body stretches, my feet get very far away, and my hand and arms turn to thick heavy stone and my body is pencil thin. Not quite out of body, but very hard to get out of. I think I am panicking about being deserted - I feel physical pain up my centre line. I feel solid like I can't move, an out of body experience, black and white, rejected and deserted“.

Proving: feeling enlarged, thin, heavy, cannot move as if dead, rejected and deserted.


[Fiona Farrell]

In the novel “Limestone” talks about living on the limestone reef - all those tiny creatures who live in their little hard boxes - the perfect analogy of human life and

particularly human life in 2009, connected around the world as we are by internet and cell phone.


Is not this fascinating that we call our telephones: cell phones - we also call a prison, a cell; the basic unit in the human body is a cell; a monk lives in a cell; a smaller compartment of a larger whole is

a cell, like a honeycomb; a cell is the small unit of organisation in the natural world, and a cell is the local area covered by a transmitter in a phone network.

Limestone contains the bones and shells of marine creatures, calcium carbonate, similar to but more complex than our old favourite Calc carb. The sensitive soft creature in the inside of the hard oyster

shell, now meshed with millions of others to form a complex whole. Like Calc carb, Limestone has visions of phantoms, animals, and immense fear. Limestone also has sensitivity to horrible things, violence, cruelty. In Limestone, this sensitivity leads to a feeling of estrangement from the colony, compensated through absorption in nature.


[Peter Tuminello]


Myt-e-p (Mussel Pearl) and Nautilus are other remedies made from calcium carbonate and should be studied alongside Limestone.


Bell. is known as the acute of Calc., because it contains Lime. In Belladonna, we see the themes of dissolution (Limestone) (Delusion: transparent/floating in air/enlarged) and delirium with frightful

images (Calc./Limestone) (Delusions: sees people/fires/phantoms/animals).

There are many other Calciums to study alongside these remedies and lets not forget Hep. with its extreme sensitivity and reputation for suppuration.

When Limestone comes under pressure and heats Marble is formed. Just as when carbon comes under pressure and heats, Diamond is formed.

So what do we know about (white) Marble?

It is recommended for use after exposure to radiation. When it was first proven, it was used for children from Chenobyl by Nuala Eising. She wrote: “Before I did the Marble proving, the man who comes into my dreams gave me a lecture about marble and the people who had been affected by radiation. He said that the

heat and intensity and pressure changing limestone to marble is the exact same process when someone is exposed to radiation. Marble is metamorphic. What happens to someone exposed to radiation is that they get an incredible amount of heat. The calcium in the body changes and they become metamorphic versions of what they were initially. When you get the peripheral

effect of radiation, Granite is the remedy. But he said if somebody has been left with the radiation, and the changes have taken place, then they need Marble. He said, "Look at white marble: it crumbles easily, it's translucent." I would say bloodless as well. He said, "Look at the children of Chernobyl. They are white and translucent, they crumble from the inside. Radiation affects you from the inside out. Look at marble - it is only the shine on the surface that keeps it together. And it's the same as the kids."

“You get a lovely picture as well from the kids. On the psychological level, when somebody starts feeling that they have nothing on the inside, what they start to do is make themselves a showpiece and it's because of an intense need to be taken care of. So Marble feels that the only thing they can offer is to be beautiful, graceful, charming and everybody will love them and take care of them-that type of thing. That's what Marble is about and that is what happens after somebody is severely affected by radiation”.

I have used marble a number of times, when I see intense whiteness or paleness of a child for instance, or when a person has been overexposed to cellphones, electrical currents in the home, cellphone towers or from radiation cancer treatment. It is worth studying the many ways in which body systems may be broken down by over-exposure to radiation.

The work of the late Dr Neil Cherry records neurological problems, cancer in various forms, problems with melatonin/sleep and even DNA changes. Recognising this remedy before the

functional changes have occurred in a person may be life-saving, and it may be very helpful for cancer patients undergoing radiation therapy.

It is a great remedy for boils, which will dissolve very quickly after a dose or two, when the picture fits. I have also used it for bed-wetting, over-sensitive children, coughs, and so on.

In the Marble provings, you may, on one side, see hardness, avarice, cruelty, inhumanity, emasculation, pleasure-seeking, fury, desire for abundant riches, dreams you have to kill a mouse, stealing. Dreams of being a noble person, a cat. Adulterous. On the other side, there may be sensitivity to cruelty, to criticism, forsaken, delusion he is a new born kitten.

The provings of Limestone and Marble contain many dreams, which you will not find represented in Mac Repertory. Most curious to me, are these dreams in the Marble proving:

Dreams of  India - with its vast poverty and huge riches, the Taj Mahal made from shining white marble.

Dreams of Russia - cold war, vast whiteness, Chernobyl, split into sometimes warring factions.

And remember in Limestone we had dreams of America and Africa


Dreams of America - the slave trade and the abolition of slavery, speaks with an American accent. (many of our teenages walk around speaking with American accents!)

Dreams of Africa - entrapped by slavery, poverty, AIDS

How does Calc. connect with Limestone and Marble?

Through these 3 remedies of stage 2 (=  the ferrum series), we see an evolution of consciousness in the world.

In Carb. the issue is about security; can we emerge from the safety of our family to seek and find freedom from judgement in the outer world?

Sankaran: the main feeling of Calc.: "I need security to be alive". One of the important rubrics of Calc. is the single symptom: "Delirium, talks of nothing but murder, fire and rats". This delirium represents his fears of humans and of natural and animal dangers.

Carbon forms the very basis of the living kingdom, represents the survival instinct, the basic reaction required to live. In the situational Materia Medica Carbon is one of fright, where there is a threat to survival and the person finds him/herself too small and poor in the race for survival.

In Limestone, we sense a lack of belonging, which leaves us feeling too small, too thin, estranged, and not appreciated yet, longing to feel part of the human colony and compensating through our immersion in nature.

In Marble, we experience estrangement in the outer world, when ‘heat and pressure’ become too much and the ego attaches itself to riches, deceitfulness, absurd fancies, and indifference to the welfare of others.

Calcium and Carbon are the basis of a new form of farming, called biological farming, which restores humus to the soil and grows healthy plants to nourish animals and humans. Farmers have traditionally manipulated nitrogen, phosphorus and potassium in the soil but now recognise the importance of lime, crushed from limestone. It is applied with humates (a soft form of carbon) to activate the millions of microbes in the soil that dissolve the minerals so they can be taken up by the plants. In the soil beneath our feet, millions upon millions of organisms, bountifully alive and entombed in calcium, live to rejuvenate and create the earth. We rely on this extraordinary interconnectedness.

Limestone and Marble have become favourite remedies in my practice. I came to understand how to use these remedies through muscle testing and by studying the provings, the materia medica,

and my cases. Sometimes, Limestone will be a layer that is needed acutely, often to help the body to throw out some obstruction (much like we have used Silica) and other times the patient will require it to help resolve deeper chronic ailments.



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